From bryanewyatt@yahoo.com Mon Feb 1 14:04:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: miatapower@miatapower.net Delivered-To: miatapower@miatapower.net Received: from web57105.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57105.mail.re3.yahoo.com [216.252.111.118]) by fieldcircus.milewski.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 38A61DC02D3 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:04:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 67436 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Feb 2010 22:04:09 -0000 Message-ID: <524538.67189.qm@web57105.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: y.kXjboVM1kOdPv80wHcwccz.J9jTAC.ScEcC_xk_DOqOq0b2VL0Cbkn.6V4xXncrlWlxvNguDtnbPOSwlYNJFBBD4oW9IoGkmSbI_jVs.BHEHCWWOSyuqJiPfVNpfkr0OjYqabQLuRFu8YZa7N5.dQ_s6wrxkNg9kzlqGO8MMgud_PcEgkfQrlMTK226YEVNpxtR1CbMpaJI5fhduIjAxFznh.fBsJDg19G.rrzuSGHOmDKm2HbrXeqYfJ_8ZqiWcOkOgZ9e7BK5jh5ykFBFsDr4Y3jrf0egRt6OoP.veJpXSti64mnzPf.oYxYGRnFegi.CJ2yVi21B88E1MOqPf.vjz3y71ZPwxSTyehXipEd411OAwwhph5QOIkq4fXOh1B3MUP4Nsy91zNM6uP8tCkMBl7J75y3Hqe.9bs0V8JVaviSqJFzD_XtjhcpNqOix421BBBSmbwWQH3fuscnyzvfaSS7l6IoJ8IYmT7h8T1gZGgOzXrmgeqzZQtcuz5pFDSndTen846FB6KAZZnhlj9guUrHwZ0eiANyjfaMF6ckXA4bafUopX9tx_kwGiRurGEsccTpL9D0ieJkjZMNChvR9icjIzDxGI3Fnsy18qduSrfB0iIMy5a1UOYooHnw98e_tI4EUNv2vzm8UQiIHlzrQcuxzqgJ89XPy1a6EYJu6VuErJEYXbcpghYQ4RY2Calrbf5.I4zlv2Hf7M6ugcrwkqIukeyQhi_CZ4hrAX_rKX4ljius76WeruRMCGXNtw.jnDIj5prDYdjiv0WodZhQ28ZlXw5cZgrOCl7abZapFIQSZDOKZty53zUmHKM_M4_X8CZ7ZWOfUC5JqPWq_0s0 Received: from [158.48.6.139] by web57105.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:04:09 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.1.10 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:04:09 -0800 (PST) From: Bryan Wyatt Subject: RE: NPC: Optima battery question To: chris@wickfordharbor.com, Bill Cardell In-Reply-To: <2EEBE11AD8F85D438932B597700270A89F7F3E@sbserver.FlyinMiata.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1247212751-1265061849=:67189" Cc: Miata Powerlist , Mark Cookson X-BeenThere: miatapower@miatapower.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Because Too Much is Never Enough List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:04:12 -0000 --0-1247212751-1265061849=:67189 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not sure why everyone keeps pinging the list...I've been seeing all of your= emails for the last couple days... -Bryan --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Bill Cardell wrote: From: Bill Cardell Subject: RE: NPC: Optima battery question To: chris@wickfordharbor.com Cc: "Miata Powerlist" , "Mark Cookson" Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:57 PM =0A=0A =0AI pinged Zandr the other day, haven't heard =0Aback.=0A=A0=0ABill= Cardell=20 TurboDog's Dad=20 www.flyinmiata.com=20 www.fmwestfield.com=20 Sales 1-800-359-6957=20 Tech 970-464-5600 Before you call, check out =0Ahttp://www.flyinmiata.com/F= AQ/ =0A=0A=A0 =0A=0A=0AFrom: chris@wickfordharbor.com =0A[mailto:chris@wickfordharbor.com= ]=20 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 =0A12:57 PM To: Bill Cardell Cc: Miata Powerlist; Donni; Mark =0ACookson Subject: RE: NPC: Optima battery question =0A=0Adoes anyone know, is the power list now dead?=A0=A0=A0=0A=A0=0A=0A -= ------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: NPC: =0A Optima battery question From: "Bill Cardell" =0A Date: Wed, December 09, 2009 3:52 pm To: =0A "Donni" , "Mark Cookson" =0A Cc: Miata Powerlist =0A =0A Oddly enough, I believe this is why the alternator is ecu =0A control= led on nb > cars. The ecu looks at the intake air temp as one of the =0A p= arameters for charging voltage/current.=A0 Wouldn't think there would be a = =0A strong correlation between air at the MAF and battery temp in the =0A = trunk?=0A =A0=0A Bill Cardell =0A =20 TurboDog's Dad =0A =20 www.flyinmiata.com =0A =20 www.fmwestfield.com =0A =20 Sales =0A 1-800-359-6957=20 Tech =0A 970-464-5600 Before you call, check out http://www.flyinmiata.com= /FAQ/ =0A =A0 =0A =0A =0A From: miatapower-bounces@miatapower.net [mailto:miatapower-b= ounces@miatapower.net] =0A On Behalf Of Donni Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:23 =0A PM To: Mark Cookson Cc: Miata Powerlist Subject: =0A Re: NPC: Optima battery question =0A If you lay out the cash for a good battery (AGM) don't ruin it with = =0A a cheap charger (ask me how I know about this...). Buy a Battery Tende= r brand =0A or other quality temp sensing, regulated charger. More up fron= t but cheaper in =0A the long run......as with most things. For your research and reading =0A pleasure, check out this PDF (page 9 in = particular) from one of the major =0A battery manufacturers (pretty sure t= he Westco is a rebadged WP/Deka as are =0A many others). Regarding Absorbed Electrolyte (AGM) type batteries, from =0A the East-Pen= n PDF (page 9); "Automatic =0A temperature-sensing, voltage-regulated chargers must be use= d. Charge =0A voltage must be limited (14.4 to 14.6 volts maximum at 68=B0F)" =0A On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Mark Cookson wrot= e: =0A Thanks =0A for the tip on the battery charger and cable. =A0The loc= al BatteriesPlus =0A is close to the local Harbor Freight so maybe I can= get a new battery and a =0A way to keep from killing it in one shot. = =0A =20 =0A Sounds like the Optimas are hit or miss. =A0I'll see what BP tries = =0A to sell me...=0A =20 =0A Thanks everyone!=0A =20 =0A Mark=0A =0A =0A =0A =20 =0A On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Ross Kuhns w= rote: =0A =0A I don't know the ins/outs of Optima's, but really, just put= the thing =0A on a float charger; it monitors and only turns itself o= n when the power =0A drops. They're "plug and forget about it".=20 I do this with all my =0A motorcycles (expect for the /6 which is at D= onni's house) and it's so less =0A stressful than trying to remember t= o put them on a bit of a charger each =0A day.=20 =A0 I use the Yuasa, 'cause it has the lights that tell you =0A when it's = good (green) or charging (yellow led comes one)=A0 http://www.yuasabatterie= s.com/chargers.php Harbor =0A freight has the ones with just one light for like $6 on sal= e quite =0A often. =A0 I stick the Fused Ring Connector permanently on the =0A battery, then = it really it just plug and forget. Have it on my miata too. =0A =20 http://www.yuasabatteries.com/accessories.php =A0 Ross =0A Kuhns=A0 =A0 =0A =0A Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:31:28 -0600 Subject: NPC: Optima battery =0A question From: mcookson@gmail.com To: miatapower@miatapower.net =0A =0A =0A =20 Hi guys, =0A =20 =0A I'm in need of a new battery. =A0The last one I got died because I= =0A basically hardly ever drive my Miata anymore (crying shame, I kno= w). =0A =A0Do the Optima's last longer while not being charged by occa= sional =0A driving? =A0Or should I just settle for a cheap battery and= buy them =0A like they're disposable?=0A =20 =0A I know I should put the battery on a trickle charger once a month,= =0A but somehow I'm too lazy to do even that...=0A =20 =0A Thanks,=0A Mark =0A =0A =0A Windows LiveT Hotmail is faster and more secure = than ever. Learn =0A more. _______________________________________________ Miatapower =0A mailing list Miatapower@miatapower.net http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower --=20 "If everything seems under control, you're just not going =0A fast enough.= " - Mario Andretti =0A =0A _______________________________________________ Miatapower mailing =0A list Miatapower@miatapower.net http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Miatapower mailing list Miatapower@miatapower.net http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower =0A=0A=0A --0-1247212751-1265061849=:67189 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not sure why everyone keeps pinging the list.= ..I've been seeing all of your emails for the last couple days...

-Bryan


--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Bill C= ardell <Bill@flyinmiata.com> wrote:

From: Bill Cardell <Bill@flyinmiata.com>
Subject: RE: = NPC: Optima battery question
To: chris@wickfordharbor.com
Cc: "Miata = Powerlist" <miatapower@miatapower.net>, "Mark Cookson" <mcookson@g= mail.com>
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:57 PM

=0A=0A =0A
I pinged Zandr the= other day, haven't heard =0Aback.
=0A
 
= =0A

Bill Cardell
TurboDo= g's Dad
www.flyinmiata.com
www.fmwestfield.com
Sales 1-800-359-6957
<= span lang=3D"en-us">Tech 970-464-5600 Befor= e you call, check out =0Ahttp://www.flyinmiata.com/FAQ/ =0A

=0A
 

=0A
=0A
=0AFrom: chris@wickfordharbor.com =0A[mailto:chr= is@wickfordharbor.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 =0A12:57= PM
To: Bill Cardell
Cc: Miata Powerlist; Donni; Mark = =0ACookson
Subject: RE: NPC: Optima battery question
=0A
=0A
does anyone know, is the power list now dead= ?   
=0A
 
=0A
=0A
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: NPC:= =0A Optima battery question
From: "Bill Cardell" =0A <Bill@flyinmi= ata.com>
Date: Wed, December 09, 2009 3:52 pm
To: =0A "Donni" <= ;donni@zenwheelz.com>, "Mark Cookson" =0A <mcookson@gmail.com>Cc: Miata Powerlist =0A <miatapower@miatapower.net>

=0A Oddly enough, I believe this is why = the alternator is ecu =0A controlled on nb > cars. The ecu looks at the= intake air temp as one of the =0A parameters for charging voltage/current= .  Wouldn't think there would be a =0A strong correlation between air= at the MAF and battery temp in the =0A trunk?
=0A  
=0A
Bill Cardell =0A
TurboDog's Dad =0A
= www.flyinmiata.com =0A
<= span lang=3D"en-us">www.fmwestfield.com =0A
Sa= les =0A 1-800-359-6957
Tech =0A 970-464-5600 Before you call, check out = http://www.flyinmiata.com/FAQ/
=0A
 
=0A
=0A
=0A From: miatapower-bounces@miatapower.net [mailto:miatapower-bounce= s@miatapower.net] =0A On Behalf Of Donni
Sent: Wednes= day, December 09, 2009 3:23 =0A PM
To: Mark Cookson
Cc: Miata Powerlist
Subject: =0A Re: NPC: Optima battery question<= br>
=0A
If you lay out the cash for a good batt= ery (AGM) don't ruin it with =0A a cheap charger (ask me how I know about = this...). Buy a Battery Tender brand =0A or other quality temp sensing, re= gulated charger. More up front but cheaper in =0A the long run......as wit= h most things.

For your research and reading =0A pleasure, check ou= t this PDF (page 9 in particular) from one of the major =0A battery manufa= cturers (pretty sure the Westco is a rebadged WP/Deka as are =0A many othe= rs).

Regarding Absorbed Electrolyte (AGM) type batteries, from =0A = the East-Penn PDF (page 9);
"Automatic =0A = temperature-sensing, voltage-regulated chargers must be used.
Charg= e =0A voltage must be limited
(14.4 to 14.6 volts maximum at 68=B0F)"

=0A
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:12 PM, M= ark Cookson <mcookson@gmail.com> wrote:
=0A
Thanks =0A for the tip on the batte= ry charger and cable.  The local BatteriesPlus =0A is close to the = local Harbor Freight so maybe I can get a new battery and a =0A way to k= eep from killing it in one shot. =0A

=0A
Sounds l= ike the Optimas are hit or miss.  I'll see what BP tries =0A to sel= l me...
=0A

=0A
Thanks everyone!
=0A =

=0A
Mark
=0A =
=0A
=0A
=0A


=0A =
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Ross Kuhns <rossk= uhns@hotmail.com> wrote:
=0A
=0A
I don't know the ins/outs of = Optima's, but really, just put the thing =0A on a float charger; it mo= nitors and only turns itself on when the power =0A drops. They're "plu= g and forget about it".
I do this with all my =0A motorcycles (exp= ect for the /6 which is at Donni's house) and it's so less =0A stressf= ul than trying to remember to put them on a bit of a charger each =0A = day.
 
I use the Yuasa, 'cause it has the lights that tell you = =0A when it's good (green) or charging (yellow led comes one)  http://www.yuasabatteries.com/chargers.php
Harbor =0A = freight has the ones with just one light for like $6 on sale quite =0A = often.
 
I stick the Fused Ring Connector permanently on th= e =0A battery, then it really it just plug and forget. Have it on my m= iata too. =0A
http://www.yuasabatteries.com/acce= ssories.php
 


Ross =0A Kuhns 

 = ;
=0A
=0A Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:31:28 -0600
Subject:= NPC: Optima battery =0A question
From: mcookson@gmail.com
To: miatapower@miatapower.net =0A =0A
=0A


Hi guys, =0A

=0A
I'm in need of a new battery.  The last one I got die= d because I =0A basically hardly ever drive my Miata anymore (crying s= hame, I know). =0A  Do the Optima's last longer while not being c= harged by occasional =0A driving?  Or should I just settle for a = cheap battery and buy them =0A like they're disposable?
=0A =

=0A
I know I should put the battery on a trickle c= harger once a month, =0A but somehow I'm too lazy to do even that...=0A

=0A
Thanks,
=0A
Mark
=0A
=0A
=0A Windows LiveT Hotma= il is faster and more secure than ever. Learn = =0A more.


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