From Larry@Miata.net Tue Feb 2 03:14:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: miatapower@miatapower.net Delivered-To: miatapower@miatapower.net Received: from smtp131.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp131.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.131]) by fieldcircus.milewski.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C647123C00D for ; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 03:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 40E1644C15A; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 06:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: larry-AT-miata.net) with ESMTPSA id 903A344C152; Tue, 2 Feb 2010 06:14:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Larry Alster" To: "'Bryan Wyatt'" , , "'Bill Cardell'" References: <2EEBE11AD8F85D438932B597700270A89F7F3E@sbserver.FlyinMiata.local> <524538.67189.qm@web57105.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <524538.67189.qm@web57105.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: NPC: Optima battery question Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 06:14:10 -0500 Message-ID: <00e101caa3f8$d8d40170$8a7c0450$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E2_01CAA3CE.EFFDF970" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acqjy70d2cYDLbORTle9vizK8ohkRwALPZEA Content-Language: en-us Cc: 'Miata Powerlist' , 'Mark Cookson' X-BeenThere: miatapower@miatapower.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Because Too Much is Never Enough List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:14:28 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 11:14:28 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E2_01CAA3CE.EFFDF970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bryan look at the dates. The list has only been sending those messages = for the last 2-3 days. Some of the messages go back to sometime in = December. The list has been off since then and things are coming out of the queue = now. =20 =20 =20 =20 Larry Alster =20 91 Miata White Knight 92 Miata Silver Bullet 92 Miata Honey B 04 MSM MX-5 Whooosh 06 WRX STi Subie =20 From: miatapower-bounces@miatapower.net [mailto:miatapower-bounces@miatapower.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Wyatt Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 5:04 PM To: chris@wickfordharbor.com; Bill Cardell Cc: Miata Powerlist; Mark Cookson Subject: RE: NPC: Optima battery question =20 Not sure why everyone keeps pinging the list...I've been seeing all of = your emails for the last couple days... -Bryan --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Bill Cardell wrote: From: Bill Cardell Subject: RE: NPC: Optima battery question To: chris@wickfordharbor.com Cc: "Miata Powerlist" , "Mark Cookson" Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:57 PM I pinged Zandr the other day, haven't heard back. =20 Bill Cardell=20 TurboDog's Dad=20 www.flyinmiata.com=20 www.fmwestfield.com=20 Sales 1-800-359-6957=20 Tech 970-464-5600 Before you call, check out = http://www.flyinmiata.com/FAQ/=20 =20 =20 _____ =20 From: chris@wickfordharbor.com [mailto:chris@wickfordharbor.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:57 PM To: Bill Cardell Cc: Miata Powerlist; Donni; Mark Cookson Subject: RE: NPC: Optima battery question does anyone know, is the power list now dead? =20 =20 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: NPC: Optima battery question From: "Bill Cardell" Date: Wed, December 09, 2009 3:52 pm To: "Donni" , "Mark Cookson" Cc: Miata Powerlist Oddly enough, I believe this is why the alternator is ecu controlled on = nb > cars. The ecu looks at the intake air temp as one of the parameters for charging voltage/current. Wouldn't think there would be a strong correlation between air at the MAF and battery temp in the trunk? =20 Bill Cardell=20 TurboDog's Dad=20 www.flyinmiata.com=20 www.fmwestfield.com=20 Sales 1-800-359-6957=20 Tech 970-464-5600 Before you call, check out = http://www.flyinmiata.com/FAQ/=20 =20 =20 _____ =20 From: miatapower-bounces@miatapower.net [mailto:miatapower-bounces@miatapower.net] On Behalf Of Donni Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:23 PM To: Mark Cookson Cc: Miata Powerlist Subject: Re: NPC: Optima battery question If you lay out the cash for a good battery (AGM) don't ruin it with a = cheap charger (ask me how I know about this...). Buy a Battery Tender brand or other quality temp sensing, regulated charger. More up front but cheaper = in the long run......as with most things. For your research and reading pleasure, check out this PDF (page 9 in particular) from one of the major battery manufacturers (pretty sure the Westco is a rebadged WP/Deka as are many others). Regarding Absorbed Electrolyte (AGM) type batteries, from the East-Penn PDF (page 9); "Automatic temperature-sensing, voltage-regulated chargers must be used. Charge voltage must be limited (14.4 to 14.6 volts maximum at 68=B0F)" On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Mark Cookson wrote: Thanks for the tip on the battery charger and cable. The local BatteriesPlus is close to the local Harbor Freight so maybe I can get a = new battery and a way to keep from killing it in one shot.=20 =20 Sounds like the Optimas are hit or miss. I'll see what BP tries to sell me... =20 Thanks everyone! =20 Mark =20 On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Ross Kuhns = wrote: I don't know the ins/outs of Optima's, but really, just put the thing on = a float charger; it monitors and only turns itself on when the power = drops. They're "plug and forget about it".=20 I do this with all my motorcycles (expect for the /6 which is at Donni's house) and it's so less stressful than trying to remember to put them on = a bit of a charger each day.=20 =20 I use the Yuasa, 'cause it has the lights that tell you when it's good (green) or charging (yellow led comes one) http://www.yuasabatteries.com/chargers.php Harbor freight has the ones with just one light for like $6 on sale = quite often. =20 I stick the Fused Ring Connector permanently on the battery, then it = really it just plug and forget. Have it on my miata too.=20 http://www.yuasabatteries.com/accessories.php =20 Ross Kuhns=20 =20 _____ =20 Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:31:28 -0600 Subject: NPC: Optima battery question From: mcookson@gmail.com To: miatapower@miatapower.net=20 Hi guys,=20 =20 I'm in need of a new battery. The last one I got died because I = basically hardly ever drive my Miata anymore (crying shame, I know). Do the = Optima's last longer while not being charged by occasional driving? Or should I = just settle for a cheap battery and buy them like they're disposable? =20 I know I should put the battery on a trickle charger once a month, but somehow I'm too lazy to do even that... =20 Thanks, Mark =20 _____ =20 Windows LiveT Hotmail is faster and more secure than ever. 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Bryan look at the dates.=A0 The list has only been sending = those messages for the last 2-3 days.=A0 Some of the messages go back to = sometime in December.=A0 The list has been off since then and things are coming out = of the queue now.

 

 

 

 

Larry Alster

 

91 Miata=A0 White Knight

92 Miata=A0 Silver Bullet

92 Miata=A0 Honey B

04 MSM MX-5 Whooosh

06 WRX STi Subie

 

From:= miatapower-bounces@miatapower.net = [mailto:miatapower-bounces@miatapower.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Wyatt
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 5:04 PM
To: chris@wickfordharbor.com; Bill Cardell
Cc: Miata Powerlist; Mark Cookson
Subject: RE: NPC: Optima battery question

 

Not sure why = everyone keeps pinging the list...I've been seeing all of your emails for the last = couple days...

-Bryan



--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Bill Cardell = <Bill@flyinmiata.com> wrote:


From: Bill Cardell <Bill@flyinmiata.com>
Subject: RE: NPC: Optima battery question
To: chris@wickfordharbor.com
Cc: "Miata Powerlist" <miatapower@miatapower.net>, = "Mark Cookson" <mcookson@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 2:57 PM

I pinged Zandr the other day, haven't heard back.

 

Bill Cardell
TurboDog's Dad
www.flyinmiat= a.com
www.fmwestfie= ld.com
Sales 1-800-359-6957
Tech 970-464-5600 Before you call, check out http://www.flyinmiata.com/FAQ/

 

 

From: = chris@wickfordharbor.com [mailto:chris@wickfordharbor.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:57 PM
To: Bill Cardell
Cc: Miata Powerlist; Donni; Mark Cookson
Subject: RE: NPC: Optima battery question

does anyone know, is the power list now = dead?   

 

-------- Original = Message --------
Subject: RE: NPC: Optima battery question
From: "Bill Cardell" <Bill@flyinmiata.com>
Date: Wed, December 09, 2009 3:52 pm
To: "Donni" <donni@zenwheelz.com>, "Mark = Cookson" <mcookson@gmail.com>
Cc: Miata Powerlist = <miatapower@miatapower.net>

Oddly enough, I believe this is why the alternator is ecu controlled on nb > cars. The ecu looks at the intake air temp as = one of the parameters for charging voltage/current.  Wouldn't think = there would be a strong correlation between air at the MAF and battery temp in the = trunk?

 

Bill Cardell
TurboDog's Dad
www.flyinmiata.com
www.fmwestfield.com
Sales 1-800-359-6957
Tech 970-464-5600 Before you call, check out http://www.flyinmiata.com/FAQ/

 

 

From:= miatapower-bounces@miatapower.net [mailto:miatapower-bounces@miatapower.net] On Behalf Of Donni
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:23 PM
To: Mark Cookson
Cc: Miata Powerlist
Subject: Re: NPC: Optima battery question

If you lay out the = cash for a good battery (AGM) don't ruin it with a cheap charger (ask me how I = know about this...). Buy a Battery Tender brand or other quality temp = sensing, regulated charger. More up front but cheaper in the long run......as = with most things.

For your research and reading pleasure, check out this PDF (page 9 in particular) from one of the major battery manufacturers (pretty sure = the Westco is a rebadged WP/Deka as are many others).

Regarding Absorbed Electrolyte (AGM) type batteries, from the East-Penn PDF (page 9);
"Automatic temperature-sensing, voltage-regulated chargers = must be used.
Charge voltage must be limited
(14.4 to 14.6 volts maximum at 68=B0F)"

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Mark Cookson <mcookson@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the tip on the battery charger and cable. =  The local BatteriesPlus is close to the local Harbor Freight so maybe I = can get a new battery and a way to keep from killing it in one shot. =

 

Sounds like the Optimas are hit or miss.  I'll see = what BP tries to sell me...

 

Thanks everyone!

 

Mark

 <= /p>

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Ross Kuhns <rosskuhns@hotmail.com> wrote:

I don't know the ins/outs of Optima's, but really, just = put the thing on a float charger; it monitors and only turns itself on when = the power drops. They're "plug and forget about it".
I do this with all my motorcycles (expect for the /6 which is at = Donni's house) and it's so less stressful than trying to remember to put them = on a bit of a charger each day.
 
I use the Yuasa, 'cause it has the lights that tell you when it's good (green) or charging (yellow led comes one)  http://www.yuasabatteries.com/chargers.php
Harbor freight has the ones with just one light for like $6 on sale = quite often.
 
I stick the Fused Ring Connector permanently on the battery, then it = really it just plug and forget. Have it on my miata too.
http://www.yuasabatteries.com/accessories.php
 


Ross Kuhns 

 

Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:31:28 -0600
Subject: NPC: Optima battery question
From: mcookson@gmail.com
To: miatapower@miatapower.net



Hi guys,

 

I'm in need of a new battery.  The last one I got = died because I basically hardly ever drive my Miata anymore (crying shame, = I know).  Do the Optima's last longer while not being charged by occasional driving?  Or should I just settle for a cheap battery = and buy them like they're disposable?

 

I know I should put the battery on a trickle charger once = a month, but somehow I'm too lazy to do even = that...

 

Thanks,

Mark

 

Windows LiveT Hotmail is faster and more secure than = ever. Learn more.

 


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