From srigley@gmail.com Sat Feb 6 16:33:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: miatapower@miatapower.net Delivered-To: miatapower@miatapower.net Received: from mail-pz0-f193.google.com (mail-pz0-f193.google.com [209.85.222.193]) by fieldcircus.milewski.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6242C123C026 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:33:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by pzk31 with SMTP id 31so5495693pzk.1 for ; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:33:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=X5/FEupJaxXNg7nXix1jO7hkDSnMLkuO8Kx4Az08Opg=; b=q4PyeePrxjcLyAeox1/vSG0e0tW3/xBBesRF+7eCA26eLOn+EK5KZPbz6OBdSVYpEY Cwls8m4bUF0DR3Dm/f8Xnib4BjExiHAismLdJgrHoqNF8JTi99JjSb2RqUXZYiacvThx BzZrbSWi5n38zXzany8n6wCDiVHRE6uCwp19U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=j4aJ8O4S4iwLRvRMXcuAsxfDbURGkx0K8jYbvjHNYwFtTw6DWnPSsFDoOTwkFSornX SKP5Qtg4G6PcIML605+g936IY6J56fWEh/bl6riMZDpCT7AKb87w39ZU1erPDrhsIhjX LQdgdc+4Y2mZKuT9r87sIG+43nGLQmp4wZ8qg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.55.5 with SMTP id d5mr3194375rva.177.1265502807075; Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:33:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2c2a63741002061630n7b5e5fb0i3be9bf0cbdaa6b09@mail.gmail.com> References: <1027F21688F3480884D2053007954EAF@spare610ovq139> <4B6DCA67.4090704@cmsdevelopment.net> <2c2a63741002061630n7b5e5fb0i3be9bf0cbdaa6b09@mail.gmail.com> From: Stephen Rigley Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 00:33:07 +0000 Message-ID: <2c2a63741002061633q3b9c579av78d528db259061aa@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: How do I know it's a Torsen? To: Ray Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636b14a53472b53047ef7d53a Cc: Luis , Miata Power List X-BeenThere: miatapower@miatapower.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Because Too Much is Never Enough List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:33:27 -0000 --001636b14a53472b53047ef7d53a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ah, just read the other link.. its def an open diff. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Stephen Rigley wrote: > So... this is or isn't one? You can see through either side of the center > pin(?) > *http://tinyurl.com/yf2zttb* > > > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Ray wrote: > >> Or if both half shafts are out of the diff you can look through from on= e >> side to the other (if it's a Torsen). >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Sam Sharp >> *To:* Chuck >> *Cc:* Ray ; Miata Power List; >> Luis >> *Sent:* Saturday, February 06, 2010 12:08 PM >> *Subject:* Re: How do I know it's a Torsen? >> >> Whatever happened to looking at the gears through the oil filler hole? >> Admittedly this is probably harder if the diff is still in the car. It >> worked for me on my '94 diff with the diff out of the car. >> >> Sam >> >> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Chuck wr= ote: >> >>> My 97 had an open diff with the damper. >>> -Chuck >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Ray wrote: >>> >>> Well I'm pretty sure that anyone who has replaced a standard diff with = a >>> Torsen did not bother to add or change anything besides the diff gearse= t. >>> Whenever I changed one I retained the original ring gear so I wouldn't = have >>> to even re-adjust the pinion ... let alone remove and reinstall it. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Luis >>> *To:* 'Bryan Wyatt' ; 'Miata Power List' >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 6:13 PM >>> *Subject:* RE: How do I know it's a Torsen? >>> >>> Bryan, >>> >>> >>> >>> According to the differential spotters guide you are correct. At least = I >>> hope so, I just bought a TORSEN I didn=E2=80=99t need because the price= was too good >>> to pass up=E2=80=A6. Well, I assumed it was TORSEN because it had the = damper. I=E2=80=99ll >>> have to verify it later. >>> >>> >>> >>> Luis >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From:* miatapower-bounces@miatapower.net [ >>> mailto:miatapower-bounces@miatapower.net] >>> *On Behalf Of *Bryan Wyatt >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 01, 2010 7:38 PM >>> *To:* Miata Power List >>> *Subject:* RE: How do I know it's a Torsen? >>> >>> >>> >>> Dumb question, but don't all Torsens have the rubber damper where the >>> driveshaft and the input to the diff meet? >>> >>> -Bryan >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On *Mon, 2/1/10, chris@wickfordharbor.com >>> * wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: chris@wickfordharbor.com >>> Subject: RE: How do I know it's a Torsen? >>> To: "Ray" >>> Cc: "Bill Cardell" , >>> "MataPowerList" >>> Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 12:10 AM >>> >>> thanks fir the replies guys. obviously it's been while since I looked >>> at that car. when I did not get my replies (list problem for me, worki= ng on >>> it) I called mazda usa. car does NOT have the torsen, or, I should say= , was >>> not delivered new with one. >>> >>> >>> >>> so that also tells me that Mazda USA is still available to ask the >>> question. The guy said it was no problem and in fact they like these ki= nds >>> of calls. Presumably, gain brand loyalty in the market? >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm still looking for a Red 84-07 with zero rust. Torsen optional, base= d >>> on the price. I can get a Torsen for 800 or so. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: How do I know it's a Torsen? >>> From: "Ray" >>> Date: Sun, January 31, 2010 8:19 pm >>> To: , "Bill >>> Cardell" , >>> "MataPowerList " >>> >>> =EF=BB=BF >>> >>> I had a '94A and remember checking equipment options here. If the car >>> came with cloth seats it probably didn't have a torsen. If it did come= with >>> leather seats it probably came with torsen ... and the most underbody >>> bracing of any year Miata. The seats may have been replaced so look fo= r the >>> bracing (half a dozen round steel bars with flatened ends) under the re= ar of >>> the body. AFAIK the '94B (tan top & interior) did not have the bracing= . >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> *From:* chris@wickfordharbor.com >>> >>> *To:* Bill Cardell ; MataP= owerList >>> >>> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:45 PM >>> >>> *Subject:* How do I know it's a Torsen? >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> >>> >>> hoping to get some quick advice I'm looking at a 94 Miata and no idea i= f >>> it's a Torsen or not >>> >>> >>> >>> car has a/c but manual windows, no cruise, if that helps... >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> CP >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Miatapower mailing list >>> Miatapower@miatapower.net >>> http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower >>> >>> >>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Miatapower mailing list >>> Miatapower@miatapower.net >>> http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Miatapower mailing list >>> Miatapower@miatapower.net >>> http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Miatapower mailing listMiatapower@miatapower.nethttp://list.miatapower.= net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Miatapower mailing list >>> Miatapower@miatapower.net >>> http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Miatapower mailing list >> Miatapower@miatapower.net >> http://list.miatapower.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/miatapower >> >> > --001636b14a53472b53047ef7d53a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ah, just read the other link.. its def an open diff.

On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Stephen Rigley <srigley@gmail.com> wrote:
So... this is or = isn't one? You can see through either side of the center pin(?)
<= a href=3D"http://tinyurl.com/yf2zttb" target=3D"_blank">http://tinyurl.com/= yf2zttb



On Sat,= Feb 6, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Ray <ayala.ray@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
Or if both half shafts are out of the = diff you can=20 look through from one side to the other (if it's a Torsen).
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sam Sharp=20
To: Chuck
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 = 12:08=20 PM
Subject: Re: How do I know it'= s a=20 Torsen?

Whatever happened to looking at the gears through the oil filler=20 hole?=C2=A0 Admittedly this is probably harder if the diff is still in th= e=20 car.=C2=A0 It worked for me on my '94 diff with the diff out of the c= ar.
=C2=A0
Sam

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Chuck <racer_chuck@cmsdevelopment.net>=20 wrote:
My 97 had an open diff with t= he=20 damper.
-Chuck=20




Ray wrote:=20
Well I'm pretty sure that an= yone who has=20 replaced a standard diff with a Torsen did not bother to add or chang= e=20 anything besides the diff gearset.=C2=A0 Whenever I changed one I ret= ained=20 the original ring gear so I wouldn't have to even re-adjust the p= inion ...=20 let alone remove and reinstall it.
-----=20 Original Message -----
From:=20 Luis
Sent:=20 Friday, February 05, 2010 6:13 PM
Subject:=20 RE: How do I know it's a Torsen?

Bryan<= /span>,

=C2=A0

Accord= ing to=20 the differential spotters guide you are correct. At least I hope so= , I=20 just bought a TORSEN I didn=E2=80=99t need because the price was to= o good to=20 pass up=E2=80=A6. =C2=A0Well, I assumed it was TORSEN because it ha= d the damper.=20 I=E2=80=99ll have to verify it later.

=C2=A0

Luis

=C2=A0

From:=20 miatapower-bounces@miatapower.net [mailto:miatapower-bounces@miatapower= .net] On Behalf Of Bry= an=20 Wyatt
Sent: Mon= day,=20 February 01, 2010 7:38 PM
= To: Miata Power List
Su= bject: RE: How do I know it's a=20 Torsen?

=C2=A0

Dumb=20 question, but don't all Torsens have the rubber damper wh= ere the=20 driveshaft and the input to the diff meet?

-Bryan



--- On Mon, 2/1/10, chris@wickfordharbor.com <c= hris@wickfordharbor.com>=20 wrote:


Fro= m: chris@wick= fordharbor.com <chris@wickfordharbor.com>
Subject: RE:=20 How do I know it's a Torsen?
To: "Ray" <ayala.ray@gmail.com= >
Cc: "Bill=20 Cardell" <Bill@flyinmiata.com>, "MataPowerList" <miatapower@m= iatapower.net>
Date:=20 Monday, February 1, 2010, 12:10 AM

thanks=20 fir the replies guys.=C2=A0 obviously it's been while =C2= =A0since=20 I looked at that car.=C2=A0 when I did not get my replies (li= st=20 problem for me, working on it) I called mazda usa.=C2=A0 car = does=20 NOT have the torsen, or, I should say, was not delivered new = with=20 one.

=C2=A0

so=20 that also tells me that Mazda USA is still available to ask t= he=20 question. The guy said it was no problem and in fact they lik= e=20 these kinds of calls. Presumably, gain brand loyalty in the= =20 market?=C2=A0

=C2=A0

I'm=20 still looking for a Red 84-07 with zero rust. Torsen optional= ,=20 based on the price. I can get a Torsen for 800 or=20 so.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

--------=20 Original Message --------
Subject: Re: How do I know it&= #39;s a=20 Torsen?
From: "Ray" <ayala.ray@gmail.com>
Date: Sun= ,=20 January 31, 2010 8:19 pm
To: <chris@wickfordharbor.com>, &q= uot;Bill=20 Cardell" <Bill@flyinmiata.com>,
"MataPowerList=20 " <miatapower@miatapower.net>

=EF=BB=BF=20

I had=20 a '94A and remember checking equipment options here.=C2= =A0 If=20 the car came with cloth seats it probably didn't have a= =20 torsen.=C2=A0 If it did come with leather seats it probably= came=20 with torsen ...=C2=A0and the most=C2=A0underbody bracing of= =20 any=C2=A0year Miata.=C2=A0 The seats may have been replaced= =20 so=C2=A0look for the bracing (half a dozen round steel bars= with=20 flatened ends) under the rear of the body.=C2=A0 AFAIK the = '94B=20 (tan top & interior) did not have the=20 bracing.

-----=20 Original Message -----

From:<= /font> chris@wickfordharbor.com=20

Sent:=20 Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:45 PM

Subject: How=20 do I know it's a Torsen?

=C2=A0

Hi=20 All,

=C2=A0

hoping=20 to get some quick advice I'm looking at a 94 Miata an= d no idea=20 if it's a Torsen or not

=C2=A0

car=20 has a/c but manual windows, no cruise, if that=20 helps...

=C2=A0

Thanks

CP

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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