Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?

Perhaps ask yourself this question:

What changed between the last time you moved it and now? Was the tranny
fully seated? Was the starter installed? I would think that in order to be
stuck fast you would have to have wedged something, i.e. it was rotated to
a point of stopping and then the item become lodged. To drop something on
top of the head and it to perfect wedge without rotating it to a stop..
seems unlikely.

Wally






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I agree. The engine is held fast and will not move at all. Ill check under
the vc tonight

---------------------------
Chad Douglas
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On Jul 14, 2010, at 9:20 AM, "Mark Phillips" <mjphillips55@???>
wrote:



The 1.6l auto engine I put in my NA only had an insert in the end of
the crankshaft that had to be removed to accommodate the pilot
bearing. The insert only centered the flywheel. I don’t know about an
NC but I’d bet it would be the same otherwise, it would be poor
engineering practice for production.





Does the transmission have a range select switch or resistor pack
that sends a signal to the ECU? Could there be a wiring issue related
to that?





I’m betting on a foreign object left behind.





FWIW,


Mark








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Wild guess, as I don't know, but maybe different crank for auto and
stick cars? Are you mixing?





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Douglas
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:16 PM
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Subject: My Turn: Engine Seized?


OK, so I put the new motor into this NC. The motor turned over just
fine by hand while I was bolting the torque converter to the
flexplate.

Then, we installed the engine, and I proceeded to hook everything up.


So, tonight, I had it together enough to try to start it (or at least
verify that the engine turned, etc), and all I get from the starter
is a very definate LOUD CLICK.

So I tried jumping it and charging it — no dice. Somehow, the engine
is physically locked. I cannot turn the engine from the crank bolt
or by gently prying on the flexplate teeth to turn the engine from
the back side.

Tried with tranny in Park and Neutral, with and without driveshaft,

Any ideas? I’m stumped — I have no idea why this NC motor would turn
over by hand just a few days ago, and now refuses. It won’t turn
either direction, although I didn’t really try that hard to turn it
backwards, since I’ve read horror stories about bending valves on
this engine if you turn it backwards... But I would have expected it
to turn a teeny bit backward, but nothing.

It’s like the motor is welded. Tomorrow, I’m going to remove the
valve cover to be sure that some tool didn’t get in there when I
swapped the VC (god, I hope not!) but it’s the only area of the
engine that was exposed that could possible lead to a physical
lockup.

Aside from that... Any notions?
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Perhaps ask yourself this question:

What changed between the last time you moved it and now? Was the tranny fully seated? Was the starter installed? I would think that in order to be stuck fast you would have to have wedged something, i.e. it was rotated to a point of stopping and then the item become lodged. To drop something on top of the head and it to perfect wedge without rotating it to a stop.. seems unlikely.

Wally



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I agree. The engine is held fast and will not move at all. Ill check under the vc tonight

---------------------------
Chad Douglas
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 14, 2010, at 9:20 AM, &quot;Mark Phillips&quot; &lt;mjphillips55@???&gt; wrote:


The 1.6l auto engine I put in my NA only had an insert in the end of the crankshaft that had to be removed to accommodate the pilot bearing. The insert only centered the flywheel. I don’t know about an NC but I’d bet it would be the same otherwise, it would be poor engineering practice for production.

Does the transmission have a range select switch or resistor pack that sends a signal to the ECU? Could there be a wiring issue related to that?

I’m betting on a foreign object left behind.

FWIW,
Mark


From: miatapower-bounces@??? [mailto:miatapower-bounces@???] On Behalf Of Bill Cardell
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:53 AM
To: Chad J. Douglas; miatapower@???
Subject: RE: My Turn: Engine Seized?

Wild guess, as I don't know, but maybe different crank for auto and stick cars? Are you mixing?

Bill Cardell
TurboDog's Dad
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6967 (sales)
970-464-5600 (tech support)
www.flyinmiata.com
www.fmwestfield.com



From: miatapower-bounces@??? [mailto:miatapower-bounces@???] On Behalf Of Chad J. Douglas
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:16 PM
To: miatapower@???
Subject: My Turn: Engine Seized?
OK, so I put the new motor into this NC. The motor turned over just fine by hand while I was bolting the torque converter to the flexplate.

Then, we installed the engine, and I proceeded to hook everything up.

So, tonight, I had it together enough to try to start it (or at least verify that the engine turned, etc), and all I get from the starter is a very definate LOUD CLICK.

So I tried jumping it and charging it — no dice. Somehow, the engine is physically locked. I cannot turn the engine from the crank bolt or by gently prying on the flexplate teeth to turn the engine from the back side.

Tried with tranny in Park and Neutral, with and without driveshaft,

Any ideas? I’m stumped — I have no idea why this NC motor would turn over by hand just a few days ago, and now refuses. It won’t turn either direction, although I didn’t really try that hard to turn it backwards, since I’ve read horror stories about bending valves on this engine if you turn it backwards... But I would have expected it to turn a teeny bit backward, but nothing.

It’s like the motor is welded. Tomorrow, I’m going to remove the valve cover to be sure that some tool didn’t get in there when I swapped the VC (god, I hope not!) but it’s the only area of the engine that was exposed that could possible lead to a physical lockup.

Aside from that... Any notions? _______________________________________________
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