Its got to be the transmission. Sounds like its time to pull the engine
again... If you're still at it Tuesday, I can come over and heckle....
Ken
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Chad J. Douglas <chad@???>wrote:
> Crappity crap crap crap.
>
> There's nothing under the valve cover, and it's not anything to do with the
> cams, since I can turn the cams with a wrench until I take up the slack in
> the timing chain. And I found nothing up there.
>
> I removed the lower starter bolt and was able to loosen the upper one (it's
> REALLY tight in there!) and I can move the starter..it's no longer firmly
> fixed to the engine. So, I tried to make the engine turn but levering the
> teeth on the flexplate via the inspection hole.. I figure if the starter
> was
> causing the bind, and since the starter was now loose, I would be able to
> see the starter move somewhat and get a small amount of engine movement.
>
> Nope. Nothing. Still like the engine is welded. I can only assume that
> somehow the transmission/torque converter is holding the engine...and that
> this must've occurred while the engine / tranny combo was being installed
> somehow.
>
> Any ideas? Is the torque converter on the NC a lockup converter, and could
> the lockup be locked and somehow the transmission be locked? I'm stumped,
> and my next course of action would be to remove the engine and tranny combo
> again to get better access to everything, but that's a lot of labor...so
> I'm
> looking for any other ideas for things that can be done with the engine
> still in the car to free it.
>
> I even tried putting a ratchet with a cheater bar on the crank bolt and
> tried to turn it backward a little to "free" whatever was locking it, and
> only succeeded in loosening the crank bolt! So, I re-tightened the crank
> bolt using the same method.
>
> Something's got the engine held fast.
>
>
> On 7/14/10 2:09 PM, "Chad Douglas" <chad@???> wrote:
>
> > Well, we'll see soon enough.
> >
> > Steph--call me this evening when you get a few minutes.
> >
> > ---------------------------
> > Chad Douglas
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Stephanie Turner <
> stepht@???>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Starter for the MT and AT should be the same.
> >>
> >> Stephanie
> >>
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> >> From: derf [mailto:derf247@???]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:23 PM
> >> To: Walt_Helsel@???
> >> Cc: miatapower@???; miatapower-bounces@???
> >> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
> >>
> >> The starter bendix might be jammed. Is the starter the same for
> >> manual and auto cars?
> >> I'd pull the starter and plugs and see if it turns by hand.
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Its got to be the transmission. Sounds like its time to pull the engine again... If you're still at it Tuesday, I can come over and heckle....Ken
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Chad J. Douglas <chad@???> wrote:
Crappity crap crap crap.
There's nothing under the valve cover, and it's not anything to do with the
cams, since I can turn the cams with a wrench until I take up the slack in
the timing chain. And I found nothing up there.
I removed the lower starter bolt and was able to loosen the upper one (it's
REALLY tight in there!) and I can move the starter..it's no longer firmly
fixed to the engine. So, I tried to make the engine turn but levering the
teeth on the flexplate via the inspection hole.. I figure if the starter was
causing the bind, and since the starter was now loose, I would be able to
see the starter move somewhat and get a small amount of engine movement.
Nope. Nothing. Still like the engine is welded. I can only assume that
somehow the transmission/torque converter is holding the engine...and that
this must've occurred while the engine / tranny combo was being installed
somehow.
Any ideas? Is the torque converter on the NC a lockup converter, and could
the lockup be locked and somehow the transmission be locked? I'm stumped,
and my next course of action would be to remove the engine and tranny combo
again to get better access to everything, but that's a lot of labor...so I'm
looking for any other ideas for things that can be done with the engine
still in the car to free it.
I even tried putting a ratchet with a cheater bar on the crank bolt and
tried to turn it backward a little to "free" whatever was locking it, and
only succeeded in loosening the crank bolt! So, I re-tightened the crank
bolt using the same method.
Something's got the engine held fast.
On 7/14/10 2:09 PM, "Chad Douglas" <chad@???> wrote:
> Well, we'll see soon enough.
>
> Steph--call me this evening when you get a few minutes.
>
> ---------------------------
> Chad Douglas
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Stephanie Turner <stepht@???>
> wrote:
>
>> Starter for the MT and AT should be the same.
>>
>> Stephanie
>>
>> BEGi / Bell Engineering
>> Phone: 830.438.2890
>> Fax: 830.438.8361
>>
www.bellengineering.net
>>
>> Please include all previous correspondence when replying to an e-mail.
>> Prices quoted are good for 30 days.
>>
>> Sign up for our Email Newsletter
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: derf [mailto:derf247@???]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:23 PM
>> To: Walt_Helsel@???
>> Cc: miatapower@???; miatapower-bounces@???
>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>>
>> The starter bendix might be jammed. Is the starter the same for
>> manual and auto cars?
>> I'd pull the starter and plugs and see if it turns by hand.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Miatapower mailing list
>> Miatapower@???
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