It rotated after last tq nut was installed.
It rotated before starter installed.
Did not test rotation after starter installed.
Cannot easily get the bellhousing bolts off with engine in the car.
Cannot loosen the TQ nuts if the engine wont turn and the tranny is installed.
Instead of trying to remove the tranny with the engine in the car, I choose to remove the whole damn thing so I can get complete access from all angles.
On 7/15/10 7:07 PM, "Sam Sharp" <miataturbo@???> wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out the sequence. It sounds like you installed the tranny (tightening all of the bellhousing bolts?) and then rotated the engine (and torque converter?) while installing the TC bolts. All of this was with the engine out of the car. So it rotated until you did the last bolt? Did it rotate AFTER the last bolt? Then you installed the starter. Did it rotate before you installed the starter? Did it rotate after you installed the starter?
So now the engine and tranny are in the car and it's locked up. You loosened the starter and it's still locked up. Can you loosen the bellhousing bolts with it in the car? Can you unbolt the torque converter with it in the car?
Sam
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Chad J. Douglas <chad@???> wrote:
They are studs, welded on.
On 7/15/10 6:37 PM, "Steven Jacobs" <stevej@???> wrote:
> Did you use the right bolts when connecting the torque converter to the flex
> plate. If they are too long they will keep the engine from turning.
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>> 1. Re: My Turn: Engine Seized? (Chad J. Douglas)
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>> 4. Re: My Turn: Engine Seized? (derf)
>> 5. Re: My Turn: Engine Seized? (Chad J. Douglas)
>> 6. Re: My Turn: Engine Seized? (derf)
>> 7. Re: My Turn: Engine Seized? (Chad J. Douglas)
>> 8. RE: My Turn: Engine Seized? (Bill Cardell)
>> 9. Re: My Turn: Engine Seized? (Chad J. Douglas)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:03:09 -0400
>> From: "Chad J. Douglas" <chad@???>
>> To: "Chad J. Douglas" <chad@???>, Stephanie Turner
>> <stepht@???>
>> Cc: "miatapower@???" <miatapower@???>,
>> "miatapower-bounces@???"
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>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
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>> Crappity crap crap crap.
>>
>> There's nothing under the valve cover, and it's not anything to do with
>> the
>> cams, since I can turn the cams with a wrench until I take up the slack in
>> the timing chain. And I found nothing up there.
>>
>> I removed the lower starter bolt and was able to loosen the upper one
>> (it's
>> REALLY tight in there!) and I can move the starter..it's no longer firmly
>> fixed to the engine. So, I tried to make the engine turn but levering the
>> teeth on the flexplate via the inspection hole.. I figure if the starter
>> was
>> causing the bind, and since the starter was now loose, I would be able to
>> see the starter move somewhat and get a small amount of engine movement.
>>
>> Nope. Nothing. Still like the engine is welded. I can only assume that
>> somehow the transmission/torque converter is holding the engine...and that
>> this must've occurred while the engine / tranny combo was being installed
>> somehow.
>>
>> Any ideas? Is the torque converter on the NC a lockup converter, and
>> could
>> the lockup be locked and somehow the transmission be locked? I'm stumped,
>> and my next course of action would be to remove the engine and tranny
>> combo
>> again to get better access to everything, but that's a lot of labor...so
>> I'm
>> looking for any other ideas for things that can be done with the engine
>> still in the car to free it.
>>
>> I even tried putting a ratchet with a cheater bar on the crank bolt and
>> tried to turn it backward a little to "free" whatever was locking it, and
>> only succeeded in loosening the crank bolt! So, I re-tightened the crank
>> bolt using the same method.
>>
>> Something's got the engine held fast.
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/10 2:09 PM, "Chad Douglas" <chad@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, we'll see soon enough.
>>>
>>> Steph--call me this evening when you get a few minutes.
>>>
>>> ---------------------------
>>> Chad Douglas
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Stephanie Turner
>>> <stepht@???>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Starter for the MT and AT should be the same.
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie
>>>>
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>>>> From: derf [mailto:derf247@???]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:23 PM
>>>> To: Walt_Helsel@???
>>>> Cc: miatapower@???; miatapower-bounces@???
>>>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>>>>
>>>> The starter bendix might be jammed. Is the starter the same for
>>>> manual and auto cars?
>>>> I'd pull the starter and plugs and see if it turns by hand.
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:06:57 -0400
>> From: Ken Bogart <miata@???>
>> To: "Chad J. Douglas" <chad@???>
>> Cc: "miatapower-bounces@???"
>> <miatapower-bounces@???>, "miatapower@???"
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>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
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>> Its got to be the transmission. Sounds like its time to pull the engine
>> again... If you're still at it Tuesday, I can come over and heckle....
>>
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Chad J. Douglas
>> <chad@???>wrote:
>>
>>> Crappity crap crap crap.
>>>
>>> There's nothing under the valve cover, and it's not anything to do with
>>> the
>>> cams, since I can turn the cams with a wrench until I take up the slack
>>> in
>>> the timing chain. And I found nothing up there.
>>>
>>> I removed the lower starter bolt and was able to loosen the upper one
>>> (it's
>>> REALLY tight in there!) and I can move the starter..it's no longer firmly
>>> fixed to the engine. So, I tried to make the engine turn but levering
>>> the
>>> teeth on the flexplate via the inspection hole.. I figure if the starter
>>> was
>>> causing the bind, and since the starter was now loose, I would be able to
>>> see the starter move somewhat and get a small amount of engine movement.
>>>
>>> Nope. Nothing. Still like the engine is welded. I can only assume that
>>> somehow the transmission/torque converter is holding the engine...and
>>> that
>>> this must've occurred while the engine / tranny combo was being installed
>>> somehow.
>>>
>>> Any ideas? Is the torque converter on the NC a lockup converter, and
>>> could
>>> the lockup be locked and somehow the transmission be locked? I'm
>>> stumped,
>>> and my next course of action would be to remove the engine and tranny
>>> combo
>>> again to get better access to everything, but that's a lot of labor...so
>>> I'm
>>> looking for any other ideas for things that can be done with the engine
>>> still in the car to free it.
>>>
>>> I even tried putting a ratchet with a cheater bar on the crank bolt and
>>> tried to turn it backward a little to "free" whatever was locking it, and
>>> only succeeded in loosening the crank bolt! So, I re-tightened the crank
>>> bolt using the same method.
>>>
>>> Something's got the engine held fast.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/14/10 2:09 PM, "Chad Douglas" <chad@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, we'll see soon enough.
>>>>
>>>> Steph--call me this evening when you get a few minutes.
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------
>>>> Chad Douglas
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Stephanie Turner <
>>> stepht@???>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Starter for the MT and AT should be the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>
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>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:23 PM
>>>>> To: Walt_Helsel@???
>>>>> Cc: miatapower@???; miatapower-bounces@???
>>>>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>>>>>
>>>>> The starter bendix might be jammed. Is the starter the same for
>>>>> manual and auto cars?
>>>>> I'd pull the starter and plugs and see if it turns by hand.
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>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:12:15 -0600
>> From: "Bill Cardell" <Bill@???>
>> To: "Chad J. Douglas" <chad@???>, "Stephanie Turner"
>> <stepht@???>
>> Cc: miatapower-bounces@???, miatapower@???
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>> Hmm. How about this? Maybe you didn't get the torque converter seated
>> into the trans properly, so instead of it sliding onto splines, it's
>> jammed, making the tq converter stick out too much? That's my new vote.
>>
>>
>> Bill Cardell
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: miatapower-bounces@???
>> [mailto:miatapower-bounces@???] On Behalf Of Chad J. Douglas
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:03 PM
>> To: Chad J. Douglas; Stephanie Turner
>> Cc: miatapower@???; miatapower-bounces@???
>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>>
>> Crappity crap crap crap.
>>
>> There's nothing under the valve cover, and it's not anything to do with
>> the cams, since I can turn the cams with a wrench until I take up the
>> slack in the timing chain. And I found nothing up there.
>>
>> I removed the lower starter bolt and was able to loosen the upper one
>> (it's REALLY tight in there!) and I can move the starter..it's no longer
>> firmly fixed to the engine. So, I tried to make the engine turn but
>> levering the teeth on the flexplate via the inspection hole.. I figure
>> if the starter was causing the bind, and since the starter was now
>> loose, I would be able to see the starter move somewhat and get a small
>> amount of engine movement.
>>
>> Nope. Nothing. Still like the engine is welded. I can only assume
>> that somehow the transmission/torque converter is holding the
>> engine...and that this must've occurred while the engine / tranny combo
>> was being installed somehow.
>>
>> Any ideas? Is the torque converter on the NC a lockup converter, and
>> could the lockup be locked and somehow the transmission be locked? I'm
>> stumped, and my next course of action would be to remove the engine and
>> tranny combo again to get better access to everything, but that's a lot
>> of labor...so I'm looking for any other ideas for things that can be
>> done with the engine still in the car to free it.
>>
>> I even tried putting a ratchet with a cheater bar on the crank bolt and
>> tried to turn it backward a little to "free" whatever was locking it,
>> and only succeeded in loosening the crank bolt! So, I re-tightened the
>> crank bolt using the same method.
>>
>> Something's got the engine held fast.
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/10 2:09 PM, "Chad Douglas" <chad@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, we'll see soon enough.
>>>
>>> Steph--call me this evening when you get a few minutes.
>>>
>>> ---------------------------
>>> Chad Douglas
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Stephanie Turner
>>> <stepht@???>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Starter for the MT and AT should be the same.
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie
>>>>
>>>> BEGi / Bell Engineering
>>>> Phone: 830.438.2890
>>>> Fax: 830.438.8361
>>>> www.bellengineering.net <http://www.bellengineering.net/>
>>>>
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>> e-mail.
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: derf [mailto:derf247@???]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:23 PM
>>>> To: Walt_Helsel@???
>>>> Cc: miatapower@???; miatapower-bounces@???
>>>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>>>>
>>>> The starter bendix might be jammed. Is the starter the same for
>>>> manual and auto cars?
>>>> I'd pull the starter and plugs and see if it turns by hand.
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:42:07 -0600
>> From: derf <derf247@???>
>> To: Bill Cardell <Bill@???>
>> Cc: miatapower@???, miatapower-bounces@???
>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
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>>
>> I think you're on to something. Aren't you supposed to bolt the
>> torque converter to the flex plate AFTER the motor/trans are bolted
>> together?
>>
>> "The motor turned over just fine by hand while I was bolting the
>> torque converter to the flexplate.
>>
>> Then, we installed the engine, and I proceeded to hook everything up. "
>>
>> You can bolt the TC on first but then it is sometimes hard to line up
>> the splines and or the flats on the TC with the tranny input shaft and
>> trans pump.
>> Does the Miata auto TC have flats that engage the trans pump like
>> other cars? If so, he might have damaged his pump.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 21:41:18 -0400
>> From: "Chad J. Douglas" <chad@???>
>> To: derf <derf247@???>, "miatapower@???"
>> <miatapower@???>
>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>> Message-ID: <C863DF7E.1082B%chad@??? <mailto:C863DF7E.1082B%25chad@???> >
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Putting this reply back to the list so everyone interested can see:
>>
>> Yes. Here's the process:
>>
>>
>> Engine and tranny are out of the car.
>> I put the tq onto the input shaft of the tranny
>> I mated the tranny to the engine, whilst simultaneously sliding the tq
>> studs
>> through the holes In the flexplate.
>> I then put enough (but not all) the tranny bolts in to fully mate the
>> engine
>> and transmission.
>> I then turned the motor over slowly to expose each tq stud so that I could
>> put the nuts on. I installed all 4 nuts. I turned the engine one moer
>> complete revolution to check them all.
>> I then installed the starter.
>> We then put the engine/tranny combo into the car.
>>
>>
>> I did not try to turn the engine over again until the engine was fully
>> installed and ready to test-fire.
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/10 9:34 PM, "derf" <derf247@???> wrote:
>>
>>> So, it turned after the motor/tranny bolts were tightened?
>>> If so you need to pull the starter all the way off. Loosening the
>>> bolts might not be good enough if the bendix is stuck to the
>>> flexplate.
>>>
>>> Something is missing. More information is needed. Did you bolt the
>>> tranny to the motor and then install them together?
>>> Or, did you install the tranny with the motor in place?
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:04:09 -0600
>> From: derf <derf247@???>
>> To: "Chad J. Douglas" <chad@???>
>> Cc: "miatapower@???" <miatapower@???>
>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTikasxgVx5HC_qqzb7R-p0MQO_UofYg1zUsHrxV5@???>
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>>
>> Pull the starter all the way out. See if the bendix is still attached to
>> it.
>> Unless something was loose in the motor or trans and it became lodged
>> when you tilted to do the drop in.
>> Inquiring minds want to know.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:13:03 -0400
>> From: "Chad J. Douglas" <chad@???>
>> To: derf <derf247@???>
>> Cc: "miatapower@???" <miatapower@???>
>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>> Message-ID: <C863E6EF.10832%chad@??? <mailto:C863E6EF.10832%25chad@???> >
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Well, I consulted AllData.
>>
>> I think Bill's right. The procedure calls for using a screwdriver to
>> align
>> the oil pump drive and I did not do that.
>>
>> It's possible that it's the starter, but it will be a REAL BEAR to remove
>> that starter with the engine in the car without having the car on a lift.
>>
>> I'm doing this on jackstands.
>>
>> I'll be sure to report back when I do more testing. I won't know anything
>> until sometime on Saturday.
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/10 10:04 PM, "derf" <derf247@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Pull the starter all the way out. See if the bendix is still attached to
>>> it.
>>> Unless something was loose in the motor or trans and it became lodged
>>> when you tilted to do the drop in.
>>> Inquiring minds want to know.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:53:44 -0600
>> From: "Bill Cardell" <Bill@???>
>> To: "Chad J. Douglas" <chad@???>, "derf"
>> <derf247@???>
>> Cc: miatapower@???
>> Subject: RE: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>> Message-ID:
>> <2EEBE11AD8F85D438932B597700270A8BDB166@???>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Any chance it's hydrolocked? Have you had the plugs out?
>>
>>
>> Bill Cardell
>> TurboDog's Dad
>> Flyin' Miata
>> 1-800-359-6967 (sales)
>> 970-464-5600 (tech support)
>> www.flyinmiata.com <http://www.flyinmiata.com/>
>> www.fmwestfield.com <http://www.fmwestfield.com/>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: miatapower-bounces@???
>> [mailto:miatapower-bounces@???] On Behalf Of Chad J. Douglas
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 8:13 PM
>> To: derf
>> Cc: miatapower@???
>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>>
>> Well, I consulted AllData.
>>
>> I think Bill's right. The procedure calls for using a screwdriver to
>> align the oil pump drive and I did not do that.
>>
>> It's possible that it's the starter, but it will be a REAL BEAR to
>> remove that starter with the engine in the car without having the car on
>> a lift.
>>
>> I'm doing this on jackstands.
>>
>> I'll be sure to report back when I do more testing. I won't know
>> anything until sometime on Saturday.
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/10 10:04 PM, "derf" <derf247@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Pull the starter all the way out. See if the bendix is still attached
>> to it.
>>> Unless something was loose in the motor or trans and it became lodged
>>> when you tilted to do the drop in.
>>> Inquiring minds want to know.
>>
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>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:15:03 -0400
>> From: "Chad J. Douglas" <chad@???>
>> To: Bill Cardell <Bill@???>, derf <derf247@???>
>> Cc: "miatapower@???" <miatapower@???>
>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>> Message-ID: <C863F577.10838%chad@??? <mailto:C863F577.10838%25chad@???> >
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Yup. Plugs out. Even a hydrolocked engine will move a little. This
>> engine
>> will not turn one micron. It's like it's welded.
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/10 10:53 PM, "Bill Cardell" <Bill@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Any chance it's hydrolocked? Have you had the plugs out?
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Cardell
>>> TurboDog's Dad
>>> Flyin' Miata
>>> 1-800-359-6967 (sales)
>>> 970-464-5600 (tech support)
>>> www.flyinmiata.com <http://www.flyinmiata.com/>
>>> www.fmwestfield.com <http://www.fmwestfield.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: miatapower-bounces@???
>>> [mailto:miatapower-bounces@???] On Behalf Of Chad J. Douglas
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 8:13 PM
>>> To: derf
>>> Cc: miatapower@???
>>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>>>
>>> Well, I consulted AllData.
>>>
>>> I think Bill's right. The procedure calls for using a screwdriver to
>>> align the oil pump drive and I did not do that.
>>>
>>> It's possible that it's the starter, but it will be a REAL BEAR to
>>> remove that starter with the engine in the car without having the car on
>>> a lift.
>>>
>>> I'm doing this on jackstands.
>>>
>>> I'll be sure to report back when I do more testing. I won't know
>>> anything until sometime on Saturday.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/14/10 10:04 PM, "derf" <derf247@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pull the starter all the way out. See if the bendix is still attached
>>> to it.
>>>> Unless something was loose in the motor or trans and it became lodged
>>>> when you tilted to do the drop in.
>>>> Inquiring minds want to know.
>>>
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Re: My turn: Engine seized? (Steve Jacobs)
It rotated after last tq nut was installed.
It rotated before starter installed.
Did not test rotation after starter installed.
Cannot easily get the bellhousing bolts off with engine in the car.
Cannot loosen the TQ nuts if the engine wont turn and the tranny is installed.
Instead of trying to remove the tranny with the engine in the car, I choose to remove the whole damn thing so I can get complete access from all angles.
On 7/15/10 7:07 PM, "Sam Sharp" <miataturbo@???> wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out the sequence. It sounds like you installed the tranny (tightening all of the bellhousing bolts?) and then rotated the engine (and torque converter?) while installing the TC bolts. All of this was with the engine out of the car. So it rotated until you did the last bolt? Did it rotate AFTER the last bolt? Then you installed the starter. Did it rotate before you installed the starter? Did it rotate after you installed the starter?
So now the engine and tranny are in the car and it's locked up. You loosened the starter and it's still locked up. Can you loosen the bellhousing bolts with it in the car? Can you unbolt the torque converter with it in the car?
Sam
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Chad J. Douglas <chad@???> wrote:
They are studs, welded on.
On 7/15/10 6:37 PM, "Steven Jacobs" <stevej@???> wrote:
> Did you use the right bolts when connecting the torque converter to the flex
> plate. If they are too long they will keep the engine from turning.
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>> 1. Re: My Turn: Engine Seized? (Chad J. Douglas)
>> 2. Re: My Turn: Engine Seized? (Ken Bogart)
>> 3. RE: My Turn: Engine Seized? (Bill Cardell)
>> 4. Re: My Turn: Engine Seized? (derf)
>> 5. Re: My Turn: Engine Seized? (Chad J. Douglas)
>> 6. Re: My Turn: Engine Seized? (derf)
>> 7. Re: My Turn: Engine Seized? (Chad J. Douglas)
>> 8. RE: My Turn: Engine Seized? (Bill Cardell)
>> 9. Re: My Turn: Engine Seized? (Chad J. Douglas)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:03:09 -0400
>> From: "Chad J. Douglas" <chad@???>
>> To: "Chad J. Douglas" <chad@???>, Stephanie Turner
>> <stepht@???>
>> Cc: "miatapower@???" <miatapower@???>,
>> "miatapower-bounces@???"
>> <miatapower-bounces@???>
>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
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>> Crappity crap crap crap.
>>
>> There's nothing under the valve cover, and it's not anything to do with
>> the
>> cams, since I can turn the cams with a wrench until I take up the slack in
>> the timing chain. And I found nothing up there.
>>
>> I removed the lower starter bolt and was able to loosen the upper one
>> (it's
>> REALLY tight in there!) and I can move the starter..it's no longer firmly
>> fixed to the engine. So, I tried to make the engine turn but levering the
>> teeth on the flexplate via the inspection hole.. I figure if the starter
>> was
>> causing the bind, and since the starter was now loose, I would be able to
>> see the starter move somewhat and get a small amount of engine movement.
>>
>> Nope. Nothing. Still like the engine is welded. I can only assume that
>> somehow the transmission/torque converter is holding the engine...and that
>> this must've occurred while the engine / tranny combo was being installed
>> somehow.
>>
>> Any ideas? Is the torque converter on the NC a lockup converter, and
>> could
>> the lockup be locked and somehow the transmission be locked? I'm stumped,
>> and my next course of action would be to remove the engine and tranny
>> combo
>> again to get better access to everything, but that's a lot of labor...so
>> I'm
>> looking for any other ideas for things that can be done with the engine
>> still in the car to free it.
>>
>> I even tried putting a ratchet with a cheater bar on the crank bolt and
>> tried to turn it backward a little to "free" whatever was locking it, and
>> only succeeded in loosening the crank bolt! So, I re-tightened the crank
>> bolt using the same method.
>>
>> Something's got the engine held fast.
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/10 2:09 PM, "Chad Douglas" <chad@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, we'll see soon enough.
>>>
>>> Steph--call me this evening when you get a few minutes.
>>>
>>> ---------------------------
>>> Chad Douglas
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Stephanie Turner
>>> <stepht@???>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Starter for the MT and AT should be the same.
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie
>>>>
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: derf [mailto:derf247@???]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:23 PM
>>>> To: Walt_Helsel@???
>>>> Cc: miatapower@???; miatapower-bounces@???
>>>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>>>>
>>>> The starter bendix might be jammed. Is the starter the same for
>>>> manual and auto cars?
>>>> I'd pull the starter and plugs and see if it turns by hand.
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:06:57 -0400
>> From: Ken Bogart <miata@???>
>> To: "Chad J. Douglas" <chad@???>
>> Cc: "miatapower-bounces@???"
>> <miatapower-bounces@???>, "miatapower@???"
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>> Its got to be the transmission. Sounds like its time to pull the engine
>> again... If you're still at it Tuesday, I can come over and heckle....
>>
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Chad J. Douglas
>> <chad@???>wrote:
>>
>>> Crappity crap crap crap.
>>>
>>> There's nothing under the valve cover, and it's not anything to do with
>>> the
>>> cams, since I can turn the cams with a wrench until I take up the slack
>>> in
>>> the timing chain. And I found nothing up there.
>>>
>>> I removed the lower starter bolt and was able to loosen the upper one
>>> (it's
>>> REALLY tight in there!) and I can move the starter..it's no longer firmly
>>> fixed to the engine. So, I tried to make the engine turn but levering
>>> the
>>> teeth on the flexplate via the inspection hole.. I figure if the starter
>>> was
>>> causing the bind, and since the starter was now loose, I would be able to
>>> see the starter move somewhat and get a small amount of engine movement.
>>>
>>> Nope. Nothing. Still like the engine is welded. I can only assume that
>>> somehow the transmission/torque converter is holding the engine...and
>>> that
>>> this must've occurred while the engine / tranny combo was being installed
>>> somehow.
>>>
>>> Any ideas? Is the torque converter on the NC a lockup converter, and
>>> could
>>> the lockup be locked and somehow the transmission be locked? I'm
>>> stumped,
>>> and my next course of action would be to remove the engine and tranny
>>> combo
>>> again to get better access to everything, but that's a lot of labor...so
>>> I'm
>>> looking for any other ideas for things that can be done with the engine
>>> still in the car to free it.
>>>
>>> I even tried putting a ratchet with a cheater bar on the crank bolt and
>>> tried to turn it backward a little to "free" whatever was locking it, and
>>> only succeeded in loosening the crank bolt! So, I re-tightened the crank
>>> bolt using the same method.
>>>
>>> Something's got the engine held fast.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/14/10 2:09 PM, "Chad Douglas" <chad@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, we'll see soon enough.
>>>>
>>>> Steph--call me this evening when you get a few minutes.
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------
>>>> Chad Douglas
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Stephanie Turner <
>>> stepht@???>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Starter for the MT and AT should be the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>
>>>>> BEGi / Bell Engineering
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:23 PM
>>>>> To: Walt_Helsel@???
>>>>> Cc: miatapower@???; miatapower-bounces@???
>>>>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>>>>>
>>>>> The starter bendix might be jammed. Is the starter the same for
>>>>> manual and auto cars?
>>>>> I'd pull the starter and plugs and see if it turns by hand.
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>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:12:15 -0600
>> From: "Bill Cardell" <Bill@???>
>> To: "Chad J. Douglas" <chad@???>, "Stephanie Turner"
>> <stepht@???>
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>> Hmm. How about this? Maybe you didn't get the torque converter seated
>> into the trans properly, so instead of it sliding onto splines, it's
>> jammed, making the tq converter stick out too much? That's my new vote.
>>
>>
>> Bill Cardell
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: miatapower-bounces@???
>> [mailto:miatapower-bounces@???] On Behalf Of Chad J. Douglas
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:03 PM
>> To: Chad J. Douglas; Stephanie Turner
>> Cc: miatapower@???; miatapower-bounces@???
>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>>
>> Crappity crap crap crap.
>>
>> There's nothing under the valve cover, and it's not anything to do with
>> the cams, since I can turn the cams with a wrench until I take up the
>> slack in the timing chain. And I found nothing up there.
>>
>> I removed the lower starter bolt and was able to loosen the upper one
>> (it's REALLY tight in there!) and I can move the starter..it's no longer
>> firmly fixed to the engine. So, I tried to make the engine turn but
>> levering the teeth on the flexplate via the inspection hole.. I figure
>> if the starter was causing the bind, and since the starter was now
>> loose, I would be able to see the starter move somewhat and get a small
>> amount of engine movement.
>>
>> Nope. Nothing. Still like the engine is welded. I can only assume
>> that somehow the transmission/torque converter is holding the
>> engine...and that this must've occurred while the engine / tranny combo
>> was being installed somehow.
>>
>> Any ideas? Is the torque converter on the NC a lockup converter, and
>> could the lockup be locked and somehow the transmission be locked? I'm
>> stumped, and my next course of action would be to remove the engine and
>> tranny combo again to get better access to everything, but that's a lot
>> of labor...so I'm looking for any other ideas for things that can be
>> done with the engine still in the car to free it.
>>
>> I even tried putting a ratchet with a cheater bar on the crank bolt and
>> tried to turn it backward a little to "free" whatever was locking it,
>> and only succeeded in loosening the crank bolt! So, I re-tightened the
>> crank bolt using the same method.
>>
>> Something's got the engine held fast.
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/10 2:09 PM, "Chad Douglas" <chad@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, we'll see soon enough.
>>>
>>> Steph--call me this evening when you get a few minutes.
>>>
>>> ---------------------------
>>> Chad Douglas
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 14, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Stephanie Turner
>>> <stepht@???>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Starter for the MT and AT should be the same.
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie
>>>>
>>>> BEGi / Bell Engineering
>>>> Phone: 830.438.2890
>>>> Fax: 830.438.8361
>>>>
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http://www.bellengineering.net/>
>>>>
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>> e-mail.
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: derf [mailto:derf247@???]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:23 PM
>>>> To: Walt_Helsel@???
>>>> Cc: miatapower@???; miatapower-bounces@???
>>>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>>>>
>>>> The starter bendix might be jammed. Is the starter the same for
>>>> manual and auto cars?
>>>> I'd pull the starter and plugs and see if it turns by hand.
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:42:07 -0600
>> From: derf <derf247@???>
>> To: Bill Cardell <Bill@???>
>> Cc: miatapower@???, miatapower-bounces@???
>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
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>> I think you're on to something. Aren't you supposed to bolt the
>> torque converter to the flex plate AFTER the motor/trans are bolted
>> together?
>>
>> "The motor turned over just fine by hand while I was bolting the
>> torque converter to the flexplate.
>>
>> Then, we installed the engine, and I proceeded to hook everything up. "
>>
>> You can bolt the TC on first but then it is sometimes hard to line up
>> the splines and or the flats on the TC with the tranny input shaft and
>> trans pump.
>> Does the Miata auto TC have flats that engage the trans pump like
>> other cars? If so, he might have damaged his pump.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 21:41:18 -0400
>> From: "Chad J. Douglas" <chad@???>
>> To: derf <derf247@???>, "miatapower@???"
>> <miatapower@???>
>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>> Message-ID: <C863DF7E.1082B%chad@??? <mailto:C863DF7E.1082B%25chad@???> >
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>> Putting this reply back to the list so everyone interested can see:
>>
>> Yes. Here's the process:
>>
>>
>> Engine and tranny are out of the car.
>> I put the tq onto the input shaft of the tranny
>> I mated the tranny to the engine, whilst simultaneously sliding the tq
>> studs
>> through the holes In the flexplate.
>> I then put enough (but not all) the tranny bolts in to fully mate the
>> engine
>> and transmission.
>> I then turned the motor over slowly to expose each tq stud so that I could
>> put the nuts on. I installed all 4 nuts. I turned the engine one moer
>> complete revolution to check them all.
>> I then installed the starter.
>> We then put the engine/tranny combo into the car.
>>
>>
>> I did not try to turn the engine over again until the engine was fully
>> installed and ready to test-fire.
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/10 9:34 PM, "derf" <derf247@???> wrote:
>>
>>> So, it turned after the motor/tranny bolts were tightened?
>>> If so you need to pull the starter all the way off. Loosening the
>>> bolts might not be good enough if the bendix is stuck to the
>>> flexplate.
>>>
>>> Something is missing. More information is needed. Did you bolt the
>>> tranny to the motor and then install them together?
>>> Or, did you install the tranny with the motor in place?
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:04:09 -0600
>> From: derf <derf247@???>
>> To: "Chad J. Douglas" <chad@???>
>> Cc: "miatapower@???" <miatapower@???>
>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> Pull the starter all the way out. See if the bendix is still attached to
>> it.
>> Unless something was loose in the motor or trans and it became lodged
>> when you tilted to do the drop in.
>> Inquiring minds want to know.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:13:03 -0400
>> From: "Chad J. Douglas" <chad@???>
>> To: derf <derf247@???>
>> Cc: "miatapower@???" <miatapower@???>
>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>> Message-ID: <C863E6EF.10832%chad@??? <mailto:C863E6EF.10832%25chad@???> >
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Well, I consulted AllData.
>>
>> I think Bill's right. The procedure calls for using a screwdriver to
>> align
>> the oil pump drive and I did not do that.
>>
>> It's possible that it's the starter, but it will be a REAL BEAR to remove
>> that starter with the engine in the car without having the car on a lift.
>>
>> I'm doing this on jackstands.
>>
>> I'll be sure to report back when I do more testing. I won't know anything
>> until sometime on Saturday.
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/10 10:04 PM, "derf" <derf247@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Pull the starter all the way out. See if the bendix is still attached to
>>> it.
>>> Unless something was loose in the motor or trans and it became lodged
>>> when you tilted to do the drop in.
>>> Inquiring minds want to know.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:53:44 -0600
>> From: "Bill Cardell" <Bill@???>
>> To: "Chad J. Douglas" <chad@???>, "derf"
>> <derf247@???>
>> Cc: miatapower@???
>> Subject: RE: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>> Message-ID:
>> <2EEBE11AD8F85D438932B597700270A8BDB166@???>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Any chance it's hydrolocked? Have you had the plugs out?
>>
>>
>> Bill Cardell
>> TurboDog's Dad
>> Flyin' Miata
>> 1-800-359-6967 (sales)
>> 970-464-5600 (tech support)
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: miatapower-bounces@???
>> [mailto:miatapower-bounces@???] On Behalf Of Chad J. Douglas
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 8:13 PM
>> To: derf
>> Cc: miatapower@???
>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>>
>> Well, I consulted AllData.
>>
>> I think Bill's right. The procedure calls for using a screwdriver to
>> align the oil pump drive and I did not do that.
>>
>> It's possible that it's the starter, but it will be a REAL BEAR to
>> remove that starter with the engine in the car without having the car on
>> a lift.
>>
>> I'm doing this on jackstands.
>>
>> I'll be sure to report back when I do more testing. I won't know
>> anything until sometime on Saturday.
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/10 10:04 PM, "derf" <derf247@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Pull the starter all the way out. See if the bendix is still attached
>> to it.
>>> Unless something was loose in the motor or trans and it became lodged
>>> when you tilted to do the drop in.
>>> Inquiring minds want to know.
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:15:03 -0400
>> From: "Chad J. Douglas" <chad@???>
>> To: Bill Cardell <Bill@???>, derf <derf247@???>
>> Cc: "miatapower@???" <miatapower@???>
>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>> Message-ID: <C863F577.10838%chad@??? <mailto:C863F577.10838%25chad@???> >
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Yup. Plugs out. Even a hydrolocked engine will move a little. This
>> engine
>> will not turn one micron. It's like it's welded.
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/10 10:53 PM, "Bill Cardell" <Bill@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Any chance it's hydrolocked? Have you had the plugs out?
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Cardell
>>> TurboDog's Dad
>>> Flyin' Miata
>>> 1-800-359-6967 (sales)
>>> 970-464-5600 (tech support)
>>>
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http://www.flyinmiata.com/>
>>>
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http://www.fmwestfield.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: miatapower-bounces@???
>>> [mailto:miatapower-bounces@???] On Behalf Of Chad J. Douglas
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 8:13 PM
>>> To: derf
>>> Cc: miatapower@???
>>> Subject: Re: My Turn: Engine Seized?
>>>
>>> Well, I consulted AllData.
>>>
>>> I think Bill's right. The procedure calls for using a screwdriver to
>>> align the oil pump drive and I did not do that.
>>>
>>> It's possible that it's the starter, but it will be a REAL BEAR to
>>> remove that starter with the engine in the car without having the car on
>>> a lift.
>>>
>>> I'm doing this on jackstands.
>>>
>>> I'll be sure to report back when I do more testing. I won't know
>>> anything until sometime on Saturday.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/14/10 10:04 PM, "derf" <derf247@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pull the starter all the way out. See if the bendix is still attached
>>> to it.
>>>> Unless something was loose in the motor or trans and it became lodged
>>>> when you tilted to do the drop in.
>>>> Inquiring minds want to know.
>>>
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